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MS/DoJ: On tape, Gates queried on IBM
- — 16 December, 1998 21:49
The Microsoft antitrust trial is closing out the year with a US Department of Justice-sponsored deposition film festival -- leading off with its marquee star, Bill Gates.
The US Government has turned to the videotape, once again, to attack the credibility of Microsoft's chairman and CEO, and the business practices of his company.
The excerpts were used, in part, to back up the government's contention that Microsoft was willing to use its power over PC equipment manufacturers to attack competitors, in this case IBM.
The government also showed videotaped excerpts of depositions of Steve Wadsworth, vice president of Walt Disney subsidiary, the Buena Vista Internet Group, and Ron Rasmussen, a vice president of SCO, a firm that develops Unix-based desktop and server operating systems software.
Justice Department attorneys were expected to spend the next several days showing videotaped excerpts from various witnesses who were deposed prior to the trial, including John Kies, a vice president of Packard-Bell, and David Limp, of Network Computer.
Another videotape segment of Gates is expected to be shown but Justice Department attorneys are sure whether that will happen today or Thursday. The trial is expected to break Thursday for the holidays and not resume until January 4.
In the taped excerpts shown yesterday, David Boies, the lead government attorney, asked Gates about a series of memoranda written by him and other top company officials, about IBM's growing relationship with Lotus Development.
"Why does IBM help Lotus so much," wrote Gates, in a March, 1994, memorandum, in a message to some of his top executives, including Joachim Kempin, Microsoft's senior vice president for OEM (Original Equipment Manufacturer) sales. "Is there anything we can do about this?" he wrote.
Kempin wrote back that Microsoft needs a "WW (world wide) hit team to attack IBM as a large account, whereby the OEM relationship should be used to apply some pressure".
Boies repeatedly asked Gates whether he could recall Kempin or anyone else saying "that the OEM relationship with IBM should be used to apply some pressure" to stop IBM from promoting the sale of Notes.
Gates said, "No".
"Do you understand," asked Boies, "that Mr. Kempin is here proposing to you that Microsoft apply OEM pressure to IBM?"
"It doesn't say OEM pressure," said Gates.
Showing frustration over Gates' evasive answers, Boies repeated the question again until finally, Gates said he didn't think Kempin was proposing anything. "It is one of the things he mentions, but it's not a proposal," said Gates.
Outside of court, Boies said the memorandums and his exchange with Gates illustrated a key point in the case concerning Microsoft's power, and whether the company "has the ability to use its power to influence OEM decisions."
But Mark Murray, Microsoft's spokesman, said that the government has "not provided any evidence whatsoever that Microsoft in any way pressured IBM in regard to Lotus." Moreover, IBM ultimately purchased Lotus, he said.
The Disney witness, Wadsworth, described his company's negotiations with Microsoft for an icon on its Active Desktop. The agreement included an almost blanket prohibition keeping Disney from using Netscape Communications in anyway to promote its product.
"We are being roughed up by the 1000-pound gorilla of the industry," he said.
The government is nearing the end of its case, and the introduction of the depositions is intended to build its record. But some of the material being introduced by the government seems to have more value as entertainment then as testimony.
In one lengthy, tooth-pulling exchange between Boies and Gates, the two embarked on a dialog that did more to produce chuckles from the audience than shed light on the government's case.
It began when Gates was asked about a notation in a memorandum he wrote in August, 1997, to a number of top company executives, regarding IBM and Netscape Communications.
The memo included the note in a message header that said: "Importance. High." Asked if he typed that, Gates said "no".
"Who typed in "High," asked Boies.
"A computer," responded Gates.
"Why did the computer type in "High?" asked Boies.
"It's an attribute of the e-mail," said Gates.
"And who set the attribute of the e-mail?" asked Boies.
"Usually the sender sends that attribute," said Gates.
"Who is the sender here, Mr Gates?" said Boies.
"In this case it appears I'm the sender," said Gates.
"Yes," said Boies, "And so you're the one who set the high designation of importance, right, sir?"
"It appears that I did that," said Gates. "I don't remember doing that specifically."
"Right," said Boies. "Now, did you send this message on or about August, 15, 1997?"
"I don't remember doing so," said Gates.